I suspect so. Consider what the FBI says about pyramid schemes:
Pyramid schemes, also referred to as franchise fraud, or chain referral schemes, are marketing and investment frauds in which an individual is offered a distributorship or franchise to market a particular product. The real profit is earned, not by the sale of the product, but by the sale of new distributorships. Emphasis on selling franchises rather than the product eventually leads to a point where the supply of potential investors is exhausted and the pyramid collapses. At the heart of each pyramid scheme there is typically a representation that new participants can recoup their original investments by inducing two or more prospects to make the same investment. Promoters fail to tell prospective participants that this is mathematically impossible for everyone to do, since some participants drop out, while others recoup their original investments and then drop out.
Some Tips to Avoid Pyramid Schemes:
- Be wary of “opportunities” to invest your money in franchises or investments that require you to bring in subsequent investors to increase your profit or recoup your initial investment.
- Independently verify the legitimacy of any franchise or investment before you invest.
Reference: Federal Bureau of Investigation: Common Fraud Schemes
Hello Libby,
You have to write a letter to CDT if want a refund. But what happend with your 4 invited people? They did not refer anybody?
To claim a refund from CDT… what is the procedure & who must the letter be sent to? THX
It has been 4 years since I first invested $800 with CDT, after introducing 4 people who paid $us95 each, I have not heard another mention from CDT. Surely they can see they owe me a refund of $800 as I have not received anything at all, no diamonds nothing.
Battler wanting to have a go.
Yes, all those companies are scams – it you treat them as one.
That is if you treat them as a quick and painless way to make some BIG MONEY! If you join under the assumption that you do not have to DO anything just wait a “couple of days(maybe weeks)” and you will have made it big!
It does not work like that. CDT is a legitimate business if YOU work it like ONE!
Have you ever thought how much it will cost you to start a business or a franchise like say McDonald’s? (I hope you assume that it is a REAL business).
If you decided to spring those couple of thousand hundreds of dollars, and after that told two people about it and would sit on your behind not doing anything else it would quickly turn into a SCAM too.
A business requires WORK on your part to make it run. It requires some monetary investments, time, marketing skills, commitment and so much more!!! There is no easy way to make money, there is ether business or scams and the difference between them is in your mind.
If you are seriously tired of the rat race and understand that job security is a joke then you need to start educating yourself and start thinking of owning your own business – any business for that matter.
But if you are looking to start a business and are ready to commit to it, the Network Marketing Industry is your best bet to have a chance to survive, to learn and to grow with minimal investment, on job training, all the systems already put in place, coaching and support and so much more. And to tell you my opinion (for what it is worth) working in several different MLM I find CDT to be one of the best of them.
If you want to hear any more of my humble opinions my Skype is dan_ira96
And check out the link – anyone you know???
http://www.crimebustersnow.org/html/canadian_diamond_traders.html
Dave-CBNow
Website spelled incorrectly above
http://www.crimebustersnow.com
dave – CBNow
Canadian Diamond Traders is a BIG FRAUD!!!!
CDT you ar a BIG SCAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You can sue them alright. Better if you are from Ontario.
dave – CBNow
http://www.crimebustesnow.com
gatoraid@sympatico.ca
Hello all,
blah, blah, blah…. Listen to my story:
I was involved into easy making money. I was gotten by my classmate who found me over the Skype.
She was talking so realistically about earning dividents (pay $500, get $3000) that I believed her. I paid $500, then I paid $120, then I involved my sister with $120, then she involved her friend with $120 and so on.
RESULT: NO RESULTS.
No diamonds, no money (CDT promised that it works only if you bring friends/people to get dividents). Otherwise, it works too, but you have to wait for the dividents few years to come back. Funny! I wish!!!
Now I have to forget about this money. Or, Can I sue them to get our money back?
regards,
me
15.I recently investigated CDT, and came to the conclusion that in spite of the negative vibe of this and other blogs, the company seems very legitimate. In the first place it is NOT a fly by night type of operation, having been around for 6 yrs now. The company is a wholesaler of diamonds, and is based in Toronto, Canada. You can purchase your diamond for full price on the internet, or put a deposit on one and find two other people to purchase their diamond from CDT, instead of another company. The diamonds purchased from CDT are certified by the same company that certified the diamond my husband purchased from a well-know jewellery chain in London, Ontario. As to the pyramid allegation, in Canada, for the true definition of an “illegal pyramid”, the product itself would have little to no value, or demand. This is obviously not the case here, I cannot imagine a company like Gemscan risking it’s reputation on something like this, not to mention the reputation of a Queen’s Counselor. Also, unlike ANY other system that has a pyramidal form, the ‘top’ positions are not stagnant and every person who enters that table as a ‘miner’ has an equal opportunity to get to the top. I think perhaps what we are reading here is very much sour grapes on someone’s part. I haven’t decided yet whether or not to purchase a diamond from CDT and enter their trading opportunity, but I am certainly reading ALL of the information I find about it. Here is an interesting piece, where CDT actually responds to the slander on the net. GIVE IT TIME TO LOAD-
http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/238/RipOff0238076.htm
I am not here to argue, but you had better refrain from your comments directed at my name please, or belittling me like i’m an idiot. If you dare slander me I shall have my legal partners at Gowlings give you a kick in the bum, there is contact info available David in case you were not aware. Do not direct your conversation at me. I appreciate you helping those with TTI and BIM, looks to me like the company model was solely based on recruiting to make $$. $3200 is also quite a large investment.
As a matter of fact I may assume you were envolved at some point and are looking for revenge of some sort. The company (CDT) can also persue a suit against you for slander. I do not know what research you perfomed but I did my due diligence.
I am getting my diamond so it works and seen others get theirs and get paid. That is the business they are in as stated by them, selling diamonds. They can be purchased outright or by deposit. If someone is in collector they may purchase another diamond deposit to get a freebee and advance as mentioned by the company to cycle should they choose to or make at least one deposit sale. That diamond has a value on the $100 table of at least $400-700 US dollars. Pretty good if you ask me.
My lawyer at Gowlings helped me research the company and all its associations, and liked the company’s plan so much they considered it. All I know is it does work with a proper system which is lacking. CDT has made this understanding and any materials/ideas we have established all need to be reviewed by them as well because they do not want to be misrepresented in any way, shape or form – otherwise they can be refunded and ejected from the CDT program. A system is required so there is no friction and everyone succeeds. One sale (or an additional purchase) and a freebee is all it takes and if you do not cycle within a year of the 2nd sale they will provide a refund. I do business with a couple of people that have been refunded. This is part of the consumer Protection Act and no longer classifies as a pyramid scheme(scam).
Anyways, I didn’t mean to upset/offend anyone in any way shape or form. Just wanted to offer my unbiased opinion. People are capable of making their own decisions what is right and not.
P.S. Witold is not in jail and was released, why? Because there is nothing illegitamate about what he does. The company is ISO registered and must follow strict rules to be registered with them. Jay Waterman can hold you responsible for this claim as well for slander should he choose. Maybe he is not awre of your rants, but I will make him aware. I do not know him personally but I could probably find my way to get a hold of him too.
P.P.S. Daniel, if you need a hand or wish to discuss anything I will help do what’s right for you even though I have no power to do so, if I understand your situation it may help. Either a refund or any other suggestions for resolution that you can come up with. Gowlings is professional firm, moreso than this other guy for sure and charge around $450/hr but will consult for free.
I am far from rich, but believe a GREAT lawyer is essential. I am also not about to cry over $120US or commit suicide as I would have spent it on something retarded anyways LoL. I was also an investment victim of AIG, in that regard I am pissed too, but the example is like comparing apples to oranges.
Cheers and God Bless to all
You know, I said this was out of control, but what they heck? Y’all fight it out here. I appreciate the comments from both sides. I would just really like to get an investigative reporter in here from a news agency with the clout and legal power to do what a little guy like me doesn’t have the resources to do.
Interesting that David Thornton would be calling anything or anyone a scam. Amazing how the pot calls the kettle black!!
Visit these two blogs to learn all about David Thornton and his scam artist tricks.
http://www.discovervancouver.com/forum/Dave-Thornton-CrimeBustersNow-Scam-t222223.html
http://cbnscam.blogspot.com/
Consider readers, the above lies come mostly from anonymous sources such as “Jeff”: What 40-year-old billion dollar business there, Jeff??? Not GWT is it??? And if I bother you so much why do you not take a couple of thousand from the billion and simply sue me and get a Judgment from the Ontario Superior Court rather than cowardly making unfounded allegations in “cyberspace”???
And Shawn McAllister
Quote…..“and no AmCham is not the better business bureau but they do business with companies that trade or do business in the US/Canada on typically a large scale, look at the others envolved with them http://www.amchamcanada.ca/index.php?action=list_currentmember_nm,
Yes Shawn let’s “look at the others involved with them”: AmCham that is….. AIG is one on the top of the list and where are they now and what have they done to investers world-wide. It was once at $98 and has sunk to a low of 33 cents. I’ve warned that AmCham itself is a corrupted organization with no concern what corrupt corporations and pyramid schemes join their equally or worse corrupt organization spreading these frauds world-wide. And Citi Group who’s shares went from a two year high of $55 to a low of 97cents and who siphoned of billions of investors money in unjustified bonuses and trips to the spa etc. And this is the kind of corruption you point to for “credibility”???
I guess the numbers now prove who was not only telling the truth and got it right, but had the foresight to warn about it years in advance while being attacked by criminals and those they brainwash.
And this, Shawn…. You write, “I speak from my heart”….. and also, Shawn, you speak from a totally brainwashed mind, and only THINK, you,…. as you put it, “know it works”. But from the information you provide you are a typical “sucker” who will sucker others for these crooks and really have absolutely no idea how these slick, manipulating international, white-collar, money-laundering racketeers work. Anyone who admits being taken by the “grand daddy of all MLM’s the big A”….. Amway of course, admits just how easily they can be duped and scammed.
And then you write…. “I researched this business for over 1 month before doing it, even spoke with their legal rep and other reps about the company including their financials) cause I was worried and concerned about my friend too…”
Really Shawn”??? You spoke with THEIR legal rep??? And would you expect THEIR legal rep to tell you this is a scam when they are profiting from the scam??? Common sense Shawn, you need to use simple common sense. Did you learn anything from the 40+ years of the 50 BILLION, that’s BILLION, Shawn, 50 BILLION Ponzi scheme of Bernie Madoff. Guess what??? Some people actually got money out, but how many have lost everything and now bankrupt??? Some committing suicide… again as I have been predicting is the result of many of these pyramid/Ponzi schemes: At least two on suicide watch as a result of the massive Pigeon King Ponzi scheme we were instrumental in forcing into bankruptcy.
Jay Waterman is just another scammer: And does the fact that Witold Popiel pushing the CDT “marketing plan” arrested in Poland not make you wonder???
I am afraid, Shawn, you have no idea what “due diligence” means and who to ask for correct information. For sure it is not the crooks and those associated with them!!!! Common sense Shawn: Common sense….. and the one who gives out millions in information free, you reject.
And the fact is, CDT “screws” victims out of their deposits. We are receiving myriad complaints from victims who cannot get their deposits back. That’s the truth of this scam you signed up for Shawn!!!
dave – CBNow
This is so out of control. Both sides have strong opinions and it’s hard to find enough credible evidence to support either side. I wish a media outlet with the legal, financial, and temporal resources that I lack would investigate CDN so we could get the real story.
Whether CDT is legal or not is not my concern. I have never been involved with them and I myself have some questions regarding their system and would never be involved with them however Gator Dave even calls my 40 year old billion dollar company a scam so I have a huge problem with him especially since he is always asking for money to finance his fake causes. Crime Busters Now is simply another way for crooks like Dave to steal money from people who have been hurt by bad scams like CBN.
Robert
Amazing how anyone can manipulate a story and become a victim. Dave Thornton is far from a victim. He is one of the worst types of crooks you can encounter. He has been living off people for the past 15 years on many self created causes. Even today he lives in other people’s home, drive other people’s van and live off other people as well as his pension. Don’t be fooled by Dave Thornton.
Robert
Hey all,
I vouch for it not against it, it works for me and it can work for anyone else. I only ever registered 2 people and its working, sorry.
The problem with a business such as this is they do not have a system or people wish to put in no effort at all, and now that I am seeing the results….. they speak for themselves sorry to all that it doesn’t work for.
I have come across a smart individual who has supported e and countless others with his system that he has implemented. I have been envolved with others MLM’s, Network Marketing and sales agencies and for the effort put in you do not receive anything of any value or it requires ALOT of effort to see a return.
Why do people suggest the diamonds are from Africa, they are actually from India as stated by the company nad can b traced to there http://www.kimberleyprocess.com/, then cut here in Canada, and then appraised – and they are appraised by GemScan http://www.gemscan.com/toronto/index.htm, the same company that appraises for large jewellers and other wholesalers/retailers and no AmCham is not the better business bureau but they do business with companies that trade or do business in the US/Canada on typically a large scale, look at the others envolved with them http://www.amchamcanada.ca/index.php?action=list_currentmember_nm, but there is a code of conduct for the industry which CDT is a member under their parent company http://www.canadiandiamondcodeofconduct.ca/index.html please check it out.
It’s unfortunate that people have to use fear to market something or promote something as a get rich quick, but this isn’t anything like that at all. I speak from my heart and know it works, but sometimes if something works too easily then questions are raised and governments want control. I beleive this is what is happening in Australia?? I was once involved with the grand daddy of all MLM’s the big A – those of you who know.
To David of CrimeBustersNow, are you going to charge for your services or do it for free – would it not cost me more to hire you then my $100US – probably??? How about you develop a real website and invest some $$ in your business, and focus on YOUR business, rather than using this as a way to promote yourself if you are doing so well. It certainly adds no crediblity to me. I design websites for a living and I will agree with you that CDT needs to redesign theirs – Hope I do not offend anyone at CDT sorry, but I love your program!!
I will only get envolved with something that is morally and ethically right and dollar for dollar, effort for effort nothing will touch this. They have my support and why do people keep focusing on just diamonds as they pay cash too. US dollars in Canada, hello McFly LOL
at a 30% exchange rate YEHA!!
I hope that I didn’t offend anybody, but rather than focusing your effort on negativity and excuses ( I researched this business for over 1 month before doing it, even spoke with their legal rep and other reps about the company including their financials) cause I was worried and concerned about my friend too. We have every right to be. JUST DO YOUR RESEARCH AS I HAVE BEFORE YOU SAY OR BELEIVE THINGS AND REACT NEGATIVELY,
Just food for thought.
Keep it Up CDT!!
Shawn
shawn_mca@hotmail.com
P.S. The company rebates your deposit/investment/money if it doesn’t see a return due to the diamond industry standards they MUST follow
P.P.S. Want to know a proper system, please contact me if it isn’t working for you – i’ll show you and explain how it can.
GOD BLESS and TO YOUR SUCCESS!!
This is the biggest scam I have ever encountered
At the request of Mr. Daniel Greene, we are posting this to prove how the abovementioned definition does not apply to Canadian Diamond Traders.
Let’s break down the definition into smaller parts to simplify the process of explanation.
1. Pyramid schemes, also referred to as franchise fraud, or chain referral schemes, are marketing and investment frauds…
• This is just the beginning of the definition, and therefore irrelevant; however, CDT is not an investment as the DTP is free to join; therefore CDT can not be an investment fraud.
2. …in which an individual is offered a distributorship or franchise to market a particular product.
• This part applies to any franchise such as McDonalds, KFC, Best Buy, etc. and is again, irrelevant to the subject at hand.
3. The real profit is earned, not by the sale of the product, but by the sale of new distributorships.
• CDT makes profits by selling diamonds, and has done so since 2003, making this point inapplicable to CDT. But if that’s not enough, then to further prove this point incorrect: joining CDT’s Diamond Trading program is completely free; all you need to do is register on our website to become a Diamond Trader.
4. Emphasis on selling franchises rather than the product eventually leads to a point where the supply of potential investors is exhausted and the pyramid collapses.
• As mentioned in the previous point, CDT sells diamonds and diamond jewelry, not franchise or distributorship rights, therefore making this point inapplicable as well.
5. At the heart of each pyramid scheme there is typically a representation that new participants can recoup their original investments…
• Since people do not pay to become a part of the program, they are not investing anything, furthermore, when somebody does pay something to CDT, they do so for the purpose of purchasing a diamond or diamond jewelry, therefore invalidating this point.
6. …by inducing two or more prospects to make the same investment.
• As stated in the previous point, people do not make an investment to become part of the program. In order for our Diamond Traders to be successful with our program, they only need to market our products. If one of the people they marketed to happen to buy a diamond from us, then a sale is generated and a position is filled on a diamond table. Whether or not the person who made the purchase joined the program or not is irrelevant because a position is filled by the sale of diamonds and not by the recruitment of others. If a diamond trader recruits 10 people into the program, but no sales are derived from those recruitments, the diamond trader will not earn a marketing fee. On the other hand, if a person generates sales, but recruits no people, they can earn a marketing fee.
7. Promoters fail to tell prospective participants that this is mathematically impossible for everyone to do, since some participants drop out, while others recoup their original investments and then drop out.
• As mentioned in the previous point, Diamond Traders are not required to recruit people. As long as a diamond or piece of jewelry is sold, a position will be filled on a diamond table. Further more, because it’s free to join, people do not need to worry about recouping any “investments”. Diamonds are a multi-billion dollar-a-year industry which is growing every year, hence, so-long as diamonds are being sold; it’s mathematically possible for everybody to be successful.
Using the FBI’s definition of a pyramid, CDT has proved that we do not fit within the definition of a pyramid mentioned above. CDT is a legal and an ethical business.
Sincerely,
CDT Legal Department
You obviously don’t know very much about anything, Mary. Your analogy is like saying since drug dealing is illegal, drugs dealer would be unable to operate. Can you see how illogical and ridiculous that statement is??? Try that out in court and see what happens. You also seem unable to even read an 18 page decision by the Ontario Superior Court, nor the specific warning about Canadian Diamond Traders as a pyramid fraud in Australia with fines of 20-to $100,000. You also cannot see it is the exact same program as Treasure Traders International shut down by England’s High Court. The only and irrelevant difference is a diamond instead of an emerald.
The people operating Canadian Diamond Traders are liars, cheats, scammers and scum. If they were not, and if they truly believed they were legal they would sue me for defamatory liable and slander for bad mouthing them, and for the thousands of dollars in damages I am causing them and their “distributors” every day.
They could obtain an injuction against me in a matter of days and hit me with a crippling debt I could never pay off. But they won’t because they are crooks and criminals and fear a Judicial review, based on the arguments of a senior and high schooldrop out that can take on the best lawyers in the world CDT fithly stolen millions of laundered money can buy.
Why don’t they get just obtain an injunction to close me down? Why don’t they join with the corrupt police and other corrupt authority with billions in stolen money and simply sue me? I am holding meetings across the country exposing these scum and the corrupt police and politicians behind them. WHY DO THEY HIDE ALLOWING ME TO SAY ANYTING I WANT ABOUT THEM AND THEIR ILLEGAL AND REPREHENSIBLE FRAUD? GO FIGURE, and check this blog out, now all over the “Net” and more to come.
And to answer your smoke and mirrors nonsense that…. if they were an illegal pyramid fraud they would not be operating, read McLean’s Mag. Feb. 1, 2006. “The RCMP is turning their back on white collar crime”, and this sickening statement in the Sun Toronto Star just two days ago, Sunday Jan 21 /07…..
The Crown Attorney is quoted as stating to lawyer Ed Tonello, representing victims…. “he is too busy with murders and home invasions to worry about white collar crime.” That’s why these crooks are operating in Toronto!!!
Now it’s official. In Ontario, what I have been telling everyone for years; that the reason these crooks and white collar gangsters like Canadian Diamond Traders are taking citizens, particularly seniors for billions, is because our filthy corrupt police, Crown Attorney and Attorney General of this Mafia and organized crime influenced province, and the GTA just don’t give a sweet damn!
Check it out. Why don’t they sue! Canadian Diamond Traders protests that TTI is a scam but not them. So, all the judge requires is that CDT with their high priced international lawyers, (they can even bring in a team of three or four against this unrepresented senior) simply prove this senior is wrong. The TTI lying scum crooks couldn’t do it, and neither can CDT!!!
CDT big problem because of the court decision against TTI, is that bloggers are now not afraid to carry my allegations and this will spread world-wide. Now ask the heads of this fraudulent organization why they would allow these attacks from such an undefended target even willing to make their case for them…. “With due respect, your honour, I have defamed these money laundering crooks and frauds artist and have cost them millions in irreparable harm.”
I think no one in history has ever answered to a law suit for defamatory liable with that admission!!! And Ontario is reputed to have the toughest laws against defamation in North America and perhaps the entire free world. What are they waiting for? I am receiving emails and calls from angry irate distributors world-wide, this is a simple corporate decision. WHY ARE THEY NOT BACKING UP THEIR DISTRIBUTORS AND THEIR “REPUTATION?” The truth? They are lairs cheats and scammers and no doubt their gutless international lawyers have advised them not to take on the “gator.”
Check out the where my allegations are now being disseminated.
Check this blog….. http://crimebustersnow.blogspot.com
dave http://www.crimebustersnow gatoraid@sympatico.ca 905-963-3389 24/7 We return your call in North America and 22 countries world-wide including Australia.
You obviously DO NOT know what a pyramid system is and how it works. I do. Please educate yourself. And since pyramid is illegal CDT would not be able to operate if it was a pyramid.
A WORLD-WIDE MANIFESTO
“DIAMONDS ARE FOR EVER” – CANADIAN DIAMOND TRADERS MOST CERTAINLY IS NOT!!! – David John Thornton President – http://www.crimebustersnow.com gatoraid@sympatico.ca
December 25, 2006.
FROM http://www.factnet.org message board Dec. 24 /06 [addendums Christmas Day.] – you are welcome to post on “fact” board. Anonymously if you wish.
To “aussie_battler” who, on Wednesday April 06, 2006, wrote in condemnation…”Me thinks you should do some research first before you slam this one CDT. I am surprised they don’t sue you! This is not Pyramid! Learn the difference my friend before you give hundreds of Battlers out there more sleepless nights! …… Now read this …….
Canadian Diamond Traders is a pyramid fraud scam pure and simple. The Western Australian Government, for one, with the assistance of materials submitted by our organization has declared it so. And after talks with the Attorney General of Maryland a press release was issued warning citizens of a diamond pyramid fraud from Canada scamming U.S. citizens.
http://www.docep.wa.gov.au/Corporate/Media/statements/2006/September/Diamond_pyramid_sche.html
Australian Parliament – Legislative Assembly Hansard (Extract) – link below. “…..It is promoted as a legitimate multilevel gem-marketing scheme that is approved in the United States of America and Canada. It has no such approval.”
http://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/prod/PARLMENT/hansArt.nsf/V3Key/LA20060921018
FROM A.G. Maryland
http://www.oag.state.md.us/Press/2006/111306.htm
Excerpt from link below Baltimore Business Journal – Re: A.G. – MD. “Since the end of October, the state received 15 inquiries regarding a pyramid scheme targeted at deaf people. A Canadian company is soliciting residents to sell diamonds, said Kevin Enright, a spokesman for the Maryland Attorney General’s Office.”
http://sanantonio.bizjournals.com/baltimore/stories/2006/11/13/daily5.html
Those at CDT are spewing lies and deceit and using this deceit to target such vulnerable groups as the deaf community, seniors and students world-wide; even students in high school. The nonsense they spew, suggesting that because they are a “paid member of the American Chamber of Commerce” and “registered by a government-level notary” etc., and “reviewed by a criminal lawyer” and this some how makes their criminal activity legal, is in fact all false and misleading. None of that “colourful ‘legal’ smoke and distorted mirrors” nonsense in anyway legalizes CDT’s criminal money laundering activity. CDT is simply defrauding tens of thousands of people in a criminal conspiracy to promote pyramid fraud world-wide then laundering the money through a registered business. In the Criminal Code of Canada it is clearly stated…. “The legitimacy of a business is not a factor to be considered if a part of its operation is a lottery scheme.”….. And pyramid fraud schemes are lottery schemes as defined by the Canadian Criminal Code. The misleading nonsense below is from CDT information…
Company Information
Canadian Diamond Traders (CDT) is registered with
The American Chamber of Commerce in Canada
(look for us in the members directory among other reputable companies:
http://www.amchamcanada.ca/aboutus/members_directory.php
The Ontario Management Board of Cabinet
(www.gov.on.ca/MBS/english/mbs)
-Registered by a government-level notary following a complete review
-Business model also reviewed by a criminal lawyer
CDT has been notarized by the Ontario Management Board of Cabinet: This is a government entity. From a legal perspective, their principal attorney is an official “Queens Counselor.” This title reflects that he recognized for exceptional merit and contribution in representing the Canadian Government.
And this bit of seemingly “credible” nonsense
International members may call the Department of Foreign
Affairs or Canadian Government to get information about CDT.
Again for CDT to suggest this legal “mumbo-jumbo” is some way legalizes their criminal fraud is absolutely false and misleading, and reprehensibly misleading tens of thousands into a criminal scam and possibly, and probably, many young minds into a life of crime.
It would appear in the evidence and discussions I have had with the American Chamber of Commerce (AmCham) that this organization could care less what scams or crooks join their organization “riding their collective coattails” world-wide and scamming students as long as the crooks pay their fees to AmCham. The American Chamber of Commerce affiliated with the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and all their “Fortune 500″ companies, by allowing illegal scams and crooks to join their organization and use their names, are indeed responsible for carrying these frauds, like viruses, from Canada into countries from the U.S. Australia, Albania, Russia, Ukraine, Baltic States, South Africa, Japan, Thailand, Spain, virtually world-wide. QUOTE CDT: …”look for us in the members’ directory [AmCham] among other reputable companies:” That is reprehensible!!!
Canadian Diamond Traders is essentially the same fraud as “The Mother of all Pyramid Frauds” “Women Empowering Women”, (again from Canada); a 4 tier (1-2-4-8) illegal pyramid structure also copied by Treasure Traders International and Business in Motion both of these criminal scams also from Canada, with their near worthless emeralds thinly masking their “colourful smoke and distorted mirrors” scam and now Canadian Diamond Traders is doing likewise with diamonds. So close are the two schemes that earlier this year TTI was in Court suing CDT. What a joke!!! Criminals suing criminals in the civil courts. All this of course because our corrupted Canadian Government and the RCMP refuse to enforce the law and close them down before they have amassed huge illegal money laundering fortunes and can then afford to turn our civil court system into a “three ring circus.” (The Christians, the Cops and the Crooks).
There does exist however, good judges that are doing what is in their power to prevent the civil courts from becoming “unwitting accomplices” to crime and I quote Judge Quigley of The Ontario Superior Court…… November 30, 2006. “This court cannot, through a request for injunctive relief brought on totally unsatisfactory affidavit evidence, permit itself to become an unwitting accomplice upholding against fair criticism a “business” that at least prima facie appears and may well be found at trial to constitute an illegal activity specifically sanctioned by provisions of both the Competition Act and the Criminal Code”
Now, in an attempt bolster your argument and to ridicule me, “aussie_battler” you aggressively wrote “I am surprised they don’t sue you!”
And I say to you,….. I don’t think they have the guts. That includes CDT, their unethical lawyers, AmCham and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and their affiliates. And that is billions of dollars in combined power against an impecunious pensioner. They simple don’t have the guts!!! Go figure!!! CDT exposed by a pensioner once called “demented” by a lawyer (running another fraud) at mediation, in the court house in Richmond Hill On. A pensioner with what he claims is the truth; the only defense he has. And they, at CDT, claiming “he makes up this stuff” still haven’t the guts to have their claims tested in court. A pensioner no less, with only grade 10 formal education, who has great difficulty spelling even some relatively simple words without the help of a computer. So I guess the computer, it can be said, has helped immensely in “leveling the playing field” in the quest for justice by allowing ordinary citizens to mount legible and comprehendible attacks on sophisticated criminals, their lawyers, corrupt government, politicians and police, and their well educated, meticulous supporters and sympathizers.
CDT, and any or ALL of those just mentioned that I have defamed could easily sue and attempt, within days, to get an injunction to close my website as was attempted by Treasure Traders International in their $10,000,000 defamation suit against me to close down our website.
That turned out badly for TTI when the argument I submitted was able to convince, with solid evidence, a Superior Court Judge, that prima facie, essentially, TTI is the same scam as the “WEW” “fraud of the decade” with the only irrelevant difference, being that TTI, as previously pointed out, uses gemstones as a very “colourful smoke and distorted mirrors” game to thinly disguise a criminal pyramid fraud scheme.
In conclusion and in answer to your fear, “aussie_battler” as you wrote…. “This is not Pyramid! Learn the difference my friend before you give hundreds of Battlers out there more sleepless nights!”…… I say this; CDT is a criminal pyramid fraud and, I sincerely hope I have indeed given you crooks many sleepless nights and more to come. And further, I challenge any one of you, or all of you, including the huge CDT corporation crooks, their corrupt lawyers (counseling a criminal scam) etc., AmCham, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and anyone else I have managed to defame and/or your whole group of thousands of CDT “affiliates” to each pool $10 into a huge massive legal fund and try to successfully sue me. You have an immense mountain of evidence of defamation. All I can do is “cling to the law” and what I see as the truth in an attempt to prove, once again, that an “individual clinging to the law can withstand the ravishes of criminals and giant corrupt bureaucracy.” (N.Y. People v. Cora Walker 1964). Now, my only defense is that unconscionable crooks are engaged in a criminal conspiracy to commit and promote a criminal scheme misleading students, seniors, the deaf community world-wide, the financially unsophisticated and others, and may I add, since you refer to me as “friend”, …. I choose my friends and I can assure you; you are not among them.
Now, ask your exalted leader of Canadian Diamond Traders …. why a vast world-wide viable business claiming to be legally sustainable would allow itself to be defamed by an individual who operates a world-wide non profit scam organization who has conceded, by virtue of the very complaints of at least one huge leading gem stone organization, TTI, that he has caused them irreparable damage, …. And I quote from the TTI’s whining affidavit and the court’s decision Nov. 30 /06 ….
TTI’s claim – “…. the reputation and business of the Plaintiffs have suffered. The Plaintiffs have received hundreds of inquiries to date from their affiliates, employees, agents and distributors questioning the business of the plaintiffs.” (whine whine)…. and the court …. @ [7] “As a result of Thornton’s actions, TTI and BIM claim that their reputations have suffered. Specifically, they state that sales have significantly decreased. They state as well that Thornton appears to have intentionally made the defamatory statements that are attributed to him in order to interfere with the applicants’ contractual relations with their customers and distributors and to cause the applicants, TTI and BIM, to suffer damages.” …. (really???!!!)
And I am doing the same to CDT and as a result have also caused, and further causing CDT immense, irreparable damage to their reputation, monetary harm and in addition “sleepless nights” to “Aussie Battlers” in Australia and probably CDT “distributors” world-wide. But they don’t sue!!! I have even made CDT case of defamation and vast and irreparable damages for them, and also you, their distributors. You need not even prove it. You have it all on a proverbial “silver platter” The cost of a law suit is infinitesimal to, and far outweighs the huge losses being suffered by CDT by my continual attacks on CDT and those affiliated with them. If nothing else surely you want the satisfaction of silencing this nemesis. This should be a simple corporate decision. Now, If nothing is done through the courts by CDT, or anyone, to counter my attacks so you distributors can get on with your, as you call it, “legal” business, I would seriously question your corporate head office and the legitimacy of their criminal scam. FYI, this is what the Judge wrote in his decision with respect to proof of damages re: Treasure Traders International…….
@ [18] “In the present circumstances, TTI and BIM assert a claim for damages of $10,000,000 for defamation and interference with economic relations. I observe that there is no evidence or other material advanced on this injunction motion that would appear to provide any real support for a damages claim of that magnitude……”
The judge went on however, to note “….. Thornton may have caused irreparable harm to the TTI and BIM businesses. Indeed it is admitted by the respondent that that is exactly the result his actions were intended to have. I am thus prepared to assume for the purposes of this motion that irreparable harm has been caused by Thornton, principally because, apart from evidentiary deficiencies of the material put before the court by the plaintiffs, Thornton himself effectively acknowledges that he hopes he has caused them irreparable harm.”
Now, If CDT is truly different than the criminal TTI scam, and is, as you insist, not a criminal fraud, then “tell it to the Judge” and you, or any of you should have little problem succeeding were TTI and BIM failed by shutting down our website with an injunction and saddling me with a crippling debt I will never be able, at my age, to ever “climb out from under.” So, “Aussie Battler” (aka Sleepless in Australia) and knowledgeable one, I put it to you; put up, or shut up and continue to suffer the millions in damages to your unconscionable criminal scam. And take note, this very posting, which I will swear if you wish was written and posted by me, is more than enough to construct a prima facie suit for defamation and damages. I can even draw up the statement of claim for you. And if I had lots of money as you people do I would even pay your legal fees.
So, here I am, warning you that I have, and will continue to cause the same damage to your corrupt criminal pyramid fraud as we did to TTI and BIM. So SUE ME you certainly have the money; but the situation then begs the question, have you got the “GUTS???” (That’s the lower language of a grade 10 drop out. The “more refined” would, of course, espouse “intestinal fortitude”). Nonetheless, I dare you!!!
You may wish to peruse the 18 page clear and unambiguous Judgment of the Ontario Superior Court that sets your organization on very solid legal ground. Surely the Judge (particularly with my assistance, and insistance) would accept your claim for huge damages and immediately sign an injunction order to shut me down. All you need do, as a “totally legal entity” vis-a-vis the criminal TTI, is counter my claim and convince the Judge that you, and CDT, are in fact quite different and actually operating a legal entity. And that position, of course, is supported by CDT’s posted legal “Mumbo Jumbo” espoused by … what does CDT call them??? …..a “Registered government-level notary following a complete review” and your “Business model also reviewed by a criminal lawyer.”…… Now, all this legal “Mumbo Jumbo,” (only the humble opinion from a “demented old pensioner”) if true, and CDT and its “independent distributors” emphatically insist it is, should be all that is required to win this simple court judgment.
You can find the 18 page decision of Ontario Superior Court Judge Quigley on our website at http://www.crimebustersnow.com it takes a while to download, but believe me it is worth it!!!
David John Thornton …President http://www.crimebustersnow.com gatoraid@sympatioc.ca 905-963-3389 24/7 We return your calls toll free in North America and 22 countries world-wide (including Australia) and we help as many as we can world wide, to avoid being ripped off by unconscionable criminal scammers like CDT.
p.s. MY CHRISTMAS MESSAGE – I wish a Happy Christmas and hope those who have the insight, but allowed themselves to be blinded by greed, will, with new found compassion, see. There are many victims, who have been unwittingly “duped” by CDT and other pyramid frauds, Ponzi schemes, MLM rip-offs suffering damaged or destroyed family relationships, damaged friendships, lose of homes, ten’s of thousands of dollars in losses and now in debt, going to food banks and the Salvation Army for assistance, who will not have a Happy Christmas. And those who have committed suicide never to be heard from again.
dave
C.C. to CDT, CDT lawyer(s) (counseling an indictable offence) – AmCham (American Chamber of Commerce) and affiliates – U.S Chamber of Commerce – Prime Minster of Canada, Premier of Ontario and other relevant parties. – “THE EMPEROR(S) HAS NO CLOTHES”